Comments on: Obviously, Massachusetts Schools Neglect to Teach Geography of Areas outside of New England (or No, Western New Yorkers are not Yankees Fans.) http://www.sportsgirlkat.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/ Hi, I'm Kat. I like sports. I love writing about sports. And, gosh darn it, I love the Internet. Sat, 14 Jan 2012 18:47:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: katherinehas http://www.sportsgirlkat.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-45 katherinehas Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:21:44 +0000 http://katherinehas.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/#comment-45 Jon emailed a comment too lenghy for the comments, so I posted it here: http://katherinehas.wordpress.com/2008/11/15/weighsin/ Thanks to all who comment!!! Keep the discussion going! Jon emailed a comment too lenghy for the comments, so I posted it here: http://katherinehas.wordpress.com/2008/11/15/weighsin/

Thanks to all who comment!!! Keep the discussion going!

]]> By: A Fellow Western New Yorker Weighs In (A Sorta, Kinda, In A Way Guest Post) « …On Being a Sports Girl http://www.sportsgirlkat.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-44 A Fellow Western New Yorker Weighs In (A Sorta, Kinda, In A Way Guest Post) « …On Being a Sports Girl Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:15:07 +0000 http://katherinehas.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/#comment-44 [...] Way Guest Post) Jump to Comments I am always surprised at the reaction my now-year-old post, Obviously, Massachusetts Schools Neglect to Teach Geography of Areas outside of New England (or No, ... still gets.  The most viewed and most commented post ever on this blog, the discussion it’s [...] [...] Way Guest Post) Jump to Comments I am always surprised at the reaction my now-year-old post, Obviously, Massachusetts Schools Neglect to Teach Geography of Areas outside of New England (or No, … still gets.  The most viewed and most commented post ever on this blog, the discussion it’s [...]

]]> By: Pravin http://www.sportsgirlkat.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-43 Pravin Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:48:26 +0000 http://katherinehas.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/#comment-43 I'm just reading this post for the first time, damn near a year to the day when you originally wrote it. This is a great analysis of the sports fan tendencies of people in Upstate New York. I've always kind of wondered about this. And while, as a lifelong "downstater", I can't say I'm happy with how we're depicted...but I can totally understand why you upstaters feel that way about New York city and its metropolitan area. Anyway, you were saying that in Western N.Y, there was generally an indifference towards Major League Baseball. But you had also mentioned that there were small pockets of Browns and Steelers fans in the area. I was wondering if the same thing might apply to the Indians and Pirates. And I would curious to know who the bigger rivalry is for the Bills: against the Jets or against the Patriots. Or is it s mutual, 3-way disdain, kind of like what exists between the Browns, Steelers and Ravens. And I guess the Sabres' biggest rivalry is with Montreal? And where does basketball fit into all of this? Is there a particular team that people in Western New York prefer to root for? I'd imagine that the Knicks--not even factoring in their past seven seasons of futility--represent everything that upstaters hate about downstate. There is the connection between the old Buffalo Braves and L.A. Clippers, but not even the most ardent fan of the A.B.A. would retain that kind of loyalty. These are the kinds of things I sit and think about. And I've finally found a blog that might have the answer to some of these things. So thank you. Any insight you could provide would be helpful. I’m just reading this post for the first time, damn near a year to the day when you originally wrote it. This is a great analysis of the sports fan tendencies of people in Upstate New York. I’ve always kind of wondered about this. And while, as a lifelong “downstater”, I can’t say I’m happy with how we’re depicted…but I can totally understand why you upstaters feel that way about New York city and its metropolitan area.

Anyway, you were saying that in Western N.Y, there was generally an indifference towards Major League Baseball. But you had also mentioned that there were small pockets of Browns and Steelers fans in the area. I was wondering if the same thing might apply to the Indians and Pirates.

And I would curious to know who the bigger rivalry is for the Bills: against the Jets or against the Patriots. Or is it s mutual, 3-way disdain, kind of like what exists between the Browns, Steelers and Ravens. And I guess the Sabres’ biggest rivalry is with Montreal?

And where does basketball fit into all of this? Is there a particular team that people in Western New York prefer to root for? I’d imagine that the Knicks–not even factoring in their past seven seasons of futility–represent everything that upstaters hate about downstate. There is the connection between the old Buffalo Braves and L.A. Clippers, but not even the most ardent fan of the A.B.A. would retain that kind of loyalty.

These are the kinds of things I sit and think about. And I’ve finally found a blog that might have the answer to some of these things. So thank you. Any insight you could provide would be helpful.

]]> By: “Being a Jets Fan in Binghamton Sucks” and Other Search Engine Fun « …On Being a Sports Girl http://www.sportsgirlkat.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-42 “Being a Jets Fan in Binghamton Sucks” and Other Search Engine Fun « …On Being a Sports Girl Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:46:50 +0000 http://katherinehas.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/#comment-42 [...] the more normal realm, I get a lot of hits due to my post Obviously, Massachusetts Schools Neglect to Teach Geography of Areas outside of New England (or No, ...Most of them being for “NY maps” or “maps of Poughkeepsie, NY.”  That post [...] [...] the more normal realm, I get a lot of hits due to my post Obviously, Massachusetts Schools Neglect to Teach Geography of Areas outside of New England (or No, …Most of them being for “NY maps” or “maps of Poughkeepsie, NY.”  That post [...]

]]> By: SUCO24 http://www.sportsgirlkat.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-41 SUCO24 Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:24:24 +0000 http://katherinehas.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/#comment-41 I see you included Chenango in the armpit of New York.... hope your referring to its geographical location and not the area itself, if thats not the case its a beautiful and historic area sorry if you didn't see its better qualities. With that said I am in total agreement with what you said except for the fact I am Cowboys fan and you find a lot of that around here in opposition to the Giants. Its true that MLB isn't that popular but I really would have to say the minor leagues teams really dominate the spectating sports in the area (you left out the B-Mets by the way and not to mention Scranton-Wilkes Barre isnt that far of a drive, oh! And how could I forget the Oneonta Tigers!). Im at college at SUNY Oneonta so I really get the clash of western NY and many many downstaters. In fact I'm reading this for a New York Geography class. But its predominately Yankees and Giants, not many people like the Jets or Mets. I see you included Chenango in the armpit of New York…. hope your referring to its geographical location and not the area itself, if thats not the case its a beautiful and historic area sorry if you didn’t see its better qualities. With that said I am in total agreement with what you said except for the fact I am Cowboys fan and you find a lot of that around here in opposition to the Giants. Its true that MLB isn’t that popular but I really would have to say the minor leagues teams really dominate the spectating sports in the area (you left out the B-Mets by the way and not to mention Scranton-Wilkes Barre isnt that far of a drive, oh! And how could I forget the Oneonta Tigers!). Im at college at SUNY Oneonta so I really get the clash of western NY and many many downstaters. In fact I’m reading this for a New York Geography class. But its predominately Yankees and Giants, not many people like the Jets or Mets.

]]> By: Brad http://www.sportsgirlkat.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-40 Brad Fri, 30 May 2008 20:52:36 +0000 http://katherinehas.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/#comment-40 You labeled Albany as being in Schenectady County... Adirondackers follow sports no different than the rest of Upstaters, and in Eastern Upstate, we follow NYC teams. True, Western New Yorkers don't follow baseball as much. I don't think there's too much disdain for downstaters, and most people will say Poughkeepsie is not Upstate. Eastern and Central NY should not be grouped together, and the southern tier should also be seperate... they all have different economies, politics, even landscapes. Downstaters have a very different mindset. both parts of the state are important, and both are equally arrogant. You labeled Albany as being in Schenectady County… Adirondackers follow sports no different than the rest of Upstaters, and in Eastern Upstate, we follow NYC teams. True, Western New Yorkers don’t follow baseball as much. I don’t think there’s too much disdain for downstaters, and most people will say Poughkeepsie is not Upstate. Eastern and Central NY should not be grouped together, and the southern tier should also be seperate… they all have different economies, politics, even landscapes. Downstaters have a very different mindset. both parts of the state are important, and both are equally arrogant.

]]> By: Mattnh http://www.sportsgirlkat.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-33 Mattnh Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:59:04 +0000 http://katherinehas.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/#comment-33 Oh no! A girl with a brain for sports, intersting creative writing, and gavel banging. My male ego quivers yet reads in awe. Keep writing! Sadly the Sabres gave up Drury to the Rangers and I just can't f`ing stand them.. It was hard enough having to like the Sabres for those years and for the love of all things holy, what the F&%# was Brett Hulls skate doing inside the damn crease!?! I still weep for up Buffalo fans. Oh no! A girl with a brain for sports, intersting creative writing, and gavel banging. My male ego quivers yet reads in awe. Keep writing!

Sadly the Sabres gave up Drury to the Rangers and I just can’t f`ing stand them.. It was hard enough having to like the Sabres for those years and for the love of all things holy, what the F&%# was Brett Hulls skate doing inside the damn crease!?! I still weep for up Buffalo fans.

]]> By: Kristen Robinson http://www.sportsgirlkat.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-35 Kristen Robinson Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:45:32 +0000 http://katherinehas.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/#comment-35 Do the Amerks really outsell the Bruins? That's phenomenal. It really makes my day. I love your blog, even though I don't really know the first thing about sports. Okay, I know the first thing - the Sabres rock. Other than that... yeah. I am acquainted with several rabid Yankees fans in the Roc, though; I believe you met one of them. :) Wow, I just called Rochester "the Roc"...aaaaanyway, hope you're doing well! Come visit again soon! Do the Amerks really outsell the Bruins? That’s phenomenal. It really makes my day.

I love your blog, even though I don’t really know the first thing about sports. Okay, I know the first thing – the Sabres rock. Other than that… yeah. I am acquainted with several rabid Yankees fans in the Roc, though; I believe you met one of them. :)

Wow, I just called Rochester “the Roc”…aaaaanyway, hope you’re doing well! Come visit again soon!

]]> By: Kristen http://www.sportsgirlkat.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-34 Kristen Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:41:18 +0000 http://katherinehas.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/#comment-34 Do the Amerks really outsell the Bruins? That's phenomenal. It really makes my day. Hope you're doing well! Come visit again soon! Do the Amerks really outsell the Bruins? That’s phenomenal. It really makes my day.

Hope you’re doing well! Come visit again soon!

]]> By: Denis http://www.sportsgirlkat.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/comment-page-1/#comment-39 Denis Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:49:52 +0000 http://katherinehas.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/obviously-massachusetts-schools-neglect-to-teach-geography-of-areas-outside-of-new-england-or-no-western-new-yorkers-are-not-yankees-fans/#comment-39 >>Strangely enough, this leads to a weird mix in Erie, Pennsylvania (just over the Buffalo border) where you have a pretty divided mix of Browns fans and Bills fans, with a smattering of Steelers fans.<< Erie is about 45 percent Steelers fans, 40 percent Browns, 5 percent Raiders, 5 percent Cowboys and the rest mixed. You could fit all the Bills fans here into a minivan. >>Strangely enough, this leads to a weird mix in Erie, Pennsylvania (just over the Buffalo border) where you have a pretty divided mix of Browns fans and Bills fans, with a smattering of Steelers fans.<<

Erie is about 45 percent Steelers fans, 40 percent Browns, 5 percent Raiders, 5 percent Cowboys and the rest mixed. You could fit all the Bills fans here into a minivan.

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